16 comments on “III. Power Plant Faqs

  1. Ready to build now. We are finishing financing of the Ware plant and hope to start work on that unit in the beginning of 2016.

    Thanks
    Brian

  2. Hello Bill
    Sorry for the confusion, I have literally written thousands of words on this and occasionally I am not very clear and corrections do not get caught. Induction fields are generated using an AC power supply providing electricity with low voltage but very high current and high frequency. This was what I had in mind and i will correct it.
    The Induction fields generated in our process are used to heat flow channels to produce steam. . Our Steam Generator vessel design is similar to a boiling water reactor, but instead of fission materials we use induction fields to heat our channels for steam production. The BWR and our Steam generation vessel have one primary job and that is to produce heat in these channels/tubes. With Induction fields this is all based on the weight/volume, surface area and magnetic properties of the metal we are trying to heat.

    Hope that helps and thanks for the interest
    Brian

  3. Please list the patents numbers (US and Foreign) and any patent application numbers (US and Foreign) that are pending for this technology.

    Have any working models been built that are self sustaining once the initial power source has been disconnected?

    A working model means all of the bits and pieces have been put together and are working as a combined system producing power.

    Is there more than one working device?

    Is there any size limitation for making this work as a power generator? How small and how big can you go?

    Is there a minimum energy input required to start the process? Please give the answer in Joules.

    How long has a working proof of principle generator(s) run before failing or being shut down?
    How many kWh were produced by that unit(s)?

    How small of a generator can you go? 1 Watt? 10 Watts? 100? 1000? or ?

    What volume would a 1 Megawatt Hour generator occupy? What would be the weight of the 1MWh plant?

    Where is the excess energy coming from? It’s perfectly ok to admit you have no idea as long as the bloody thing works
    every time you build a copy.

    Have one of these systems been put in a car, bus, truck, ship, airplane, or helicopter as a motive power source?

    If yes, where is that vehicle and it is available for inspection?

    thank you for your time.

  4. This is exciting news. Have you discussed using your design in ships? That seems like another place you could do retrofits as many of them use electric motors and steam generators to produce the power.

  5. Hello David

    Yes, we are trying to fund the purchase of an old diesel Electric coast guard cutter for conversion. It is running two 1.5 Mw motors, so our system is a pretty good fit. We are going to submit to the Navy’s Electric boat office as they already have a directive for an all Electric boat by 2030.
    Thanks
    Brian

  6. Hello Fringestuff

    That is a big list

    Please list the patents numbers (US and Foreign) and any patent application numbers (US and Foreign) that are pending for this technology.

    ***We have 5 Patents on the system and process as well as the equipment. Attorney specializing in Intellectual Property (IP) as a partner to protect our Intellectual property.**

    Have any working models been built that are self sustaining once the initial power source has been disconnected?

    **As far as building a complete unit , not yet. the cost on these builds are not small, however We recently purchased a 10.5 mw retired biofuels plant in Massachusetts and have probably secured a solicitation to build a 5 MW facility in Ramona Ca. so we are hoping to get started this year.**

    **The power to feed the induction Field and run the plant is never discontinued. it is the fuel that the plant runs on. It is basically a parasitic load after start up.**

    A working model means all of the bits and pieces have been put together and are working as a combined system producing power.

    **See above**

    Is there more than one working device?

    ** See above**

    Is there any size limitation for making this work as a power generator? How small and how big can you go?

    ***we can build an Induction Steam generator to run anywhere from 1 Mw to 1300 Mw’s. The larger the unit the more cost effective it will be. The cost of construction and the fact that steam turbines become inefficient the smaller you make them, PENV’s system is suited for Industrial or Large scale installations and is not really viable for smaller applications.**

    Is there a minimum energy input required to start the process? Please give the answer in Joules.

    **That depends on the size , use and configuration. It is unlimited depending on what you are doing.**

    How long has a working proof of principle generator(s) run before failing or being shut down?
    How many kWh were produced by that unit(s)?

    *See question 2**

    How small of a generator can you go? 1 Watt? 10 Watts? 100? 1000? or ?

    **This Process is a heavy Industrial process not suited for small applications**

    What volume would a 1 Megawatt Hour generator occupy? What would be the weight of the 1MWh plant?

    ** Depends on the Installation** There are a number of other pieces of equipment that go with a power plant. (Tanks , Switchyard , Interconnection, Etc. This was never and could never be designed as a small Generator. The 5 mw plant we have designed and are presently waiting on the CEC to Pre-certify has a foot print of 24 wide by 62 long x 24 feet high. **

    Where is the excess energy coming from? It’s perfectly ok to admit you have no idea as long as the bloody thing works
    every time you build a copy.

    **It is not excess energy, we are generating heat This a field technology similar to radiation or Microwave fields**

    Have one of these systems been put in a car, bus, truck, ship, airplane, or helicopter as a motive power source?

    ** We are looking at ships and this system will probably end up powering them, but once again this is large scale industrial Technology and is not suited for those technologies**

    If yes, where is that vehicle and it is available for inspection?

    ** See Above**

    thank you for your time.

    Thanks for your interest
    Brian

  7. The answers provided help fill in the several blanks.

    ” ***We have 5 Patents on the system and process as well as the equipment. Attorney specializing in Intellectual Property (IP) as a partner to protect our Intellectual property.** ”

    Can you provide those five issued patent numbers? Who is/are the listed inventor(s) on the patents and to whom are the patents
    currently assigned?

    The publicly published patent information is important to allow us to understand the underlying principle(s) that allow this process to
    achieve overunity power production.

    ” **It is not excess energy, we are generating heat This a field technology similar to radiation or Microwave fields** ”

    Heat is energy.

    From page 12 of PENV_Rev-4_Induction-Energy_Re-Heat_Stm-Waste-Ht-Energy-Recov-Electric-Pwr-Plant_11-1-2015.pdf

    ” NV Power Plants do not use any fossil fuels, and as such will not produce any types of gaseous
    emissions or toxic wastes, a zero emissions power plant. ”

    Ok, no fossil hydrocarbon based fuel like bunker oil, diesel, coal or natural gas is used in the process.

    There has to be excess energy otherwise there is no reason to build the plant.

    Excess energy generated minus (System mechanical and thermal and electrical losses)
    MUST be greater than the initial Energy in (from the grid or a generator).

    From http://phoenixenergynv.com/?page_id=266

    ” Our plants can be started directly from the grid or by a start up generator. This start up time would require nominal emissions when compared to the output of our plant. The cleanest installations would be multi unit plants that could keep one unit on line while the other is in an outage or receiving repairs or routine maintenance. This configuration would be a zero emissions installation after start up.

    PENV’s Plants run strictly on an electrically generated induction field and no other fuel is needed after start up. ”

    So if “…no other fuel is needed after start up. ” then excess energy must be produced otherwise entropy kicks in
    and the plant eventually stops.

    Is there any theory where the excess energy comes from?

    “…steam turbines become inefficient the smaller you make them…”

    But if instead you were to use something like the Cyclone Steam Engine http://www.cyclonepower.com,
    which is a closed loop 100 HP piston steam engine that runs from an external combustion fueled heat source, and
    substitute Phoenix Energy NV’s Induction technology, you can assemble an inexpensive proof of concept demonstration unit.

    And now you can offer your solution to the consumer market for home power production, and potentially the automotive market.

    Thank you.

  8. Dear PENV,

    I’ve been looking at your web-site which contains technology using induction heating. I’m very impressed. I spent forty two years in industrial manufacturing and am very familiar with induction heating. I’ve used it for heat treating and brazing. It’s a great process. Watching your videos took me back in time to those days. I think you’re onto something really big. I wish you MUCH SUCCESS. … I’ll be tracking your progress.

    Thanks for what you’re doing.

    Art Porter

  9. Hello Fringestuff

    I am going to recycle a comment i sent to another fella on the wiki, I hate to do it, but i am answering a lot of questions to a lot of people.

    I hope not to offend, but on the IP stuff, I have no idea who you are and since you are not contributing or involved in our process, designs or company it is a bit forward of you to ask for so much information regarding Ip and patents. There is absolutely no benefits or reason any company with new technology would do this.

    As far as the home market, this was never envisioned or designed with it in mind. It is a massively complex, multi process, expensive design that will never be deployed in a home. A typical homeowner may like pizza, but most will not go out to order a 50,000 dollar pizza oven and hundreds of dollars in toppings to make himself a pizza. The expense of buying that equipment is only shouldered by those who make lots of pizza and only because they plan to make more money off the pizza they sell than it cost them to buy the equipment. Many things can be scaled down, but just many things can’t.

    Below is the response I am recycling, I hope it helps for clarification for you. The same sentiments apply to you about intellectual curiosity and our hope that you continue to follow our work.

    Best regards and Happy Holidays

    Brian

    You have to think of the similarities between our designs and a nuclear plant. We are both creating fields to do work and we both are relying on stored potential energy/heat. One uses fission and the other electromagnetic fields. We are not breaking any laws. Existing Industries using induction are not breaking any laws by using/relying on this stored potential. Everyday all over the world they are successfully using Induction Fields to heat metals(Energy is heat and heat is energy etc.). The rest of the plant is painstakingly designed over years to exploit these factors in the most efficient ways possible and we developed them from working in the Industry as Engineers, designers and Project managers. There are of course losses with all Thermal designs but, PENV has what we believe ,and soon will commercialize, is the most efficient steam generation system ever envisioned using existing and proven technologies.
    You will not have to wait to long anyway to find out if PENV can do this. We are preparing to start the conversion of the 10.5 MW retired biofuels Power Plant we bought in Massachusetts starting in the beginning of 2016(Feb/Mar) and have a schedule of about 7 months for construction. We will update the PENV site all the way through, so keep an eye on us.

    Thanks Again for your interest, questions, skepticism and curiosity, they are what fuels innovation and new Ideas.

  10. Hello Art

    Thanks for your kind comments and your background in Induction. Real world experience is in short supply these day. Mike had worked on the design of a nuclear waste vitrification system using Induction fields ( a first for induction) and even being one of the designers of the system it did not hit him until they were in the field. They were heating a 7 ft tall 16 inch wide steel container tube with a graphite liner and he said he was looking at the meters and it hit him like a stack of bricks. They were heating at 1900 to 2600 degrees using around 160 kw from a 360 kw power supply. BAM!!! He had one important piece of a very big puzzle. Real world experience is invaluable in Building, Manufacturing and Engineering solutions. His background in Nuclear Engineering and Power Production combined with real world operation experience made this possible.

    Thanks again. We love hearing from Induction guys, they always always tend to scratch their chin and go yep, that will do it.

    My Best regards Art and Merry Christmas
    Brian

  11. No Problem at all, Your interest is appreciated!! Keep an Eye on us, I think we are going to have a very interesting Year.
    Best regards
    Brian

  12. I just remembered that the Corrette Coal Power plant in Billings MT. was closed last year due to new rules. You might contact Northwestern Energy to discuss a conversion deal.

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